[DOCS-15162] Supported Platform updates Created: 08/Mar/22 Updated: 30/Oct/23 Resolved: 06/Jun/22 |
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| Status: | Closed |
| Project: | Documentation |
| Component/s: | manual, Server |
| Affects Version/s: | 4.4, 5.0.0, 4.0.28, 6.0.0, 4.2.20 |
| Fix Version/s: | Server_Docs_20231030 |
| Type: | Bug | Priority: | Minor - P4 |
| Reporter: | venkataramans rama | Assignee: | Ian Fogelman |
| Resolution: | Fixed | Votes: | 1 |
| Labels: | None | ||
| Remaining Estimate: | Not Specified | ||
| Time Spent: | Not Specified | ||
| Original Estimate: | Not Specified | ||
| Environment: |
Linux |
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| Days since reply: | 1 year, 35 weeks, 6 days ago | ||||||||||||
| Epic Link: | DOCSP-11344 | ||||||||||||
| Description |
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Hi Team, I feel the mongodb documentation for supported platform needs significant updates as per the industry latest updates. There are Industry accepted CentOS alternatives like Rockylinux and Almalinux used by many after the CentOS EOL announcement. They are Red Hat Compatible Kernals(RHCK), but mongoDB doens't have any mention about these. Since they are RHCK , are they supported by default? Can you please add a note about Almalinux and Rockylinux in the supported platform
The Oracle Linux has the mention of RHCK so, i would request to add a note that CentOS variants RHCK also in the supported platforms. |
| Comments |
| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message: Docs-15162 v5.0 (#1186)
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| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message: Docs-15162 v5.0 (#1186)
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| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message: Docs-15162 v4.4 (#1187)
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| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message: Docs-15162 v4.4 (#1187)
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| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message: |
| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message: Docs-15162-v5.3 (#1185)
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| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message: Docs-15162-v5.3 (#1185)
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| Comment by Githook User [ 02/Jun/22 ] |
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Author: {'name': 'ianf-mongodb', 'email': '85948430+ianf-mongodb@users.noreply.github.com', 'username': 'ianf-mongodb'}Message:
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| Comment by Alex Ettouati [ 17/May/22 ] |
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Hi All, Applogies for the delayed response. We will be supporting Alma Linux and Rocky Linux and will be formally announcing in a week or two (I will update this ticket with the blog post once it is published). The documentation will also be updated to reflect this in the following weeks. Best, Alex |
| Comment by Neil Hanlon [ 17/May/22 ] |
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Hi Alex,
Would you be able to share any more information on the status of this request? Is there anything we can do to assist?
Best, Neil |
| Comment by venkataramans rama [ 02/May/22 ] |
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Hi Alex, Appreciate if you could share an update on when the updated documentation will be available ? Thanks, Venkat |
| Comment by Alex Ettouati [ 06/Apr/22 ] |
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Thank you. I greatly appreciate the additional context here. This will strengthen the proposal for MongoDB officially supporting both Rocky Linux and Alma Linux. I will keep all updated on our progress and should be able to give our official stance in the next few weeks. |
| Comment by Neil Hanlon [ 06/Apr/22 ] |
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Hi Alex,
By 'largely cosmetic' I mean the colors and branding on some packages, naming (changing references from Red Hat Enterprise Linux -> Rocky Linux, e.g.), and uncommonly, modifications to build params to work around bugs. Unless future versions of RHEL change their licensing away from being GPL compatible, my team does not see a risk to being able to faithfully rebuild RHEL from the sources they provide. Pertinently, RHEL 9's sources are available already for rebuilding, and there's consensus among the larger Enterprise Linux community that future versions will also be released in this manner.
Best, Neil Hanlon |
| Comment by Alex Ettouati [ 06/Apr/22 ] |
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Hi Neil, Thank you for the helpful information. Could you please elaborate on the "largely cosmetic" comment. Specifically what might happen if future RHEL versions have proprietary features or require Red Hat subscriptions to enable features and you/others are unable to create faithful clones? Is this a risk that your team sees as a possibility? |
| Comment by Neil Hanlon [ 04/Apr/22 ] |
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Hi Alex,
I am a lead for the Infrastructure team over at the Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation for Rocky Linux, as well as a member of the core SIG responsible for producing the Rocky Linux OS as a compatible downstream of RHEL.
Both Rocky Linux and AlmaLinux (and other distributions like Oracle Linux, etc) serve to fill the role CentOS Linux previously had, namely, provide a downstream "copy" of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Rocky and Alma use the sources (RPMs and Specfiles) that are provided by Red Hat at git.centos.org to produce the same packages. There are, of course, differences in exact build profiles that mean the resultant artifacts are not "bit for bit" the same as RHEL, but are close enough approximations that have been accepted by the industry (by way of CentOS) for quite a long time. CentOS served as a development platform for many organizations, and the parity with RHEL is something we in the Rocky Core SIG strive for.
Please let me know if I can provide any further clarity on how the sources are rebuilt or gathered. The only differences between the different OSes should be largely cosmetic, e.g. removing trademarked and/or copyrighted branding/text from the OS, and replacing it with each discrete distribution's own branding, where applicable. |
| Comment by Alex Ettouati [ 04/Apr/22 ] |
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Hi Venkat, Thank you for the answers to my questions. As mentioned above we are currently investigating if we will provide official support and I should have more information for you in a couple weeks. Currently we are looking into what guarantees Rocky and Alma have that they will be able to maintain 1:1 compatibility with future versions of RHEL. Do you have any insights on this? Best, Alex |
| Comment by venkataramans rama [ 04/Apr/22 ] |
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Hi Alex, Let me know if you need any further details. Can you please share the update on this request? Thanks, Venkat |
| Comment by venkataramans rama [ 25/Mar/22 ] |
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Hi Alex, Thanks for prioritizing this request and for your response. Please see my answers in-line.
<Venkat> Primarily the following 2 documents section which talks about the supported and recommended platforms where we would like to have a mention of the CentOs alternative like AlmaLinux as well. https://www.mongodb.com/docs/v5.0/installation/ </venkat>
<Venkat> We know alma Linux or Rocky Linux are 1:1 compatible with Centos/RHEL and mongo should work fine in the environment. But, we would like to get the official statement from mongo that these alternatives are in the supported platform list. If you can confirm that Mongo will support issues/queries raised from AlmaLinux then we should be good. Because, as you know we can’t assume and proceed with the plan and get into surprise from mongo later that these are not officially supported in the doc hence mongo couldn’t serve those tickets. </Venkat>
<Venkat> We are primarily looking from community version perspective. </Venkat>
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| Comment by Alex Ettouati [ 24/Mar/22 ] |
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Hi Venkat, Thanks for reaching out and apologies for the delayed response. I'm a product manager on the server team currently investigating our future platform support. We understand that due to the CentOS changes, customers are looking for alternatives. We are currently looking into the CentOS variants and determining what RHEL clones we will officially support moving forward.
As part of this research it would be helpful if you could provide any market context you might have.
Best, Alex |
| Comment by venkataramans rama [ 24/Mar/22 ] |
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Hi Jason, Can you please share some timeline when this will get addressed in the mongo documentation.
Thanks, Venkat |
| Comment by venkataramans rama [ 08/Mar/22 ] |
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FYI, the kernel versions are same on AlmaLinux uname -a Linux alma8podman 4.18.0-348.12.2.el8_5.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 19 14:35:04 EST 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ cat /etc/redhat-release AlmaLinux release 8.5 (Arctic Sphynx) On RHEL uname -a Linux rhel8repo 4.18.0-348.12.2.el8_5.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 17 07:06:06 EST 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 8.5 (Ootpa)
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