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            <title>[DRIVERS-2045] Clarify that the default seed list should be [&quot;localhost:27017&quot;], not the server list</title>
                <link>https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/DRIVERS-2045</link>
                <project id="10980" key="DRIVERS">Drivers</project>
                    <description>&lt;p&gt;Currently, in &lt;a href=&quot;https://github.com/mongodb/specifications/blob/master/source/server-discovery-and-monitoring/server-discovery-and-monitoring.rst#topologydescription&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;server-discovery-and-monitoring.rst&lt;/a&gt;, we state that the default server list should be a list containing a single server at &lt;tt&gt;localhost:27017&lt;/tt&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;servers: a set of ServerDescription instances. Default contains one server: &quot;localhost:27017&quot;, ServerType Unknown.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, this does not seem to match the &lt;a href=&quot;https://github.com/mongodb/specifications/blob/master/source/server-discovery-and-monitoring/tests/monitoring/standalone.json#L29&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;spec tests&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;This should probably refer to the seed list, not the server list. See &lt;a href=&quot;https://mongodb.slack.com/archives/C0UD1CGUF/p1540848496021000&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;this discussion&lt;/a&gt; on #drivers for more information.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A big thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.mongodb.org/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=kevin.albertson&quot; class=&quot;user-hover&quot; rel=&quot;kevin.albertson&quot;&gt;kevin.albertson&lt;/a&gt; for his help with this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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            <summary>Clarify that the default seed list should be [&quot;localhost:27017&quot;], not the server list</summary>
                <type id="14901" iconUrl="https://jira.mongodb.org/secure/viewavatar?size=xsmall&amp;avatarId=14700&amp;avatarType=issuetype">Spec Change</type>
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                                    <reporter username="may.hoque@mongodb.com">May Hoque</reporter>
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                <created>Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:54:27 +0000</created>
                <updated>Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:49:03 +0000</updated>
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                            <comment id="2184700" author="ian@10gen.com" created="Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:18:14 +0000"  >&lt;p&gt;K I&apos;m moving this back to open and closing 503 in github just to reduce the number of open PRs, but we can obvi reopen that or start a new PR whenever this does get scheduled.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="2184688" author="matt.broadstone" created="Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:09:16 +0000"  >&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.mongodb.org/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=ian.whalen&quot; class=&quot;user-hover&quot; rel=&quot;ian.whalen&quot;&gt;ian.whalen&lt;/a&gt; SGTM&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="2184489" author="ian@10gen.com" created="Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:13:27 +0000"  >&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.mongodb.org/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=matt.broadstone&quot; class=&quot;user-hover&quot; rel=&quot;matt.broadstone&quot;&gt;matt.broadstone&lt;/a&gt; given the interest in reducing spec churn in the runup to 4.2, is it OK to move this back to backlog for now?&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="2163901" author="oleg.pudeyev" created="Wed, 27 Feb 2019 03:28:13 +0000"  >&lt;p&gt;I made a PR simplifying the language which was my proposal: &lt;a href=&quot;https://github.com/mongodb/specifications/pull/503&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;https://github.com/mongodb/specifications/pull/503&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a little different from the title of this ticket which requires that drivers default the seed list to &lt;span class=&quot;error&quot;&gt;&amp;#91;&amp;#39;localhost:27017&amp;#39;&amp;#93;&lt;/span&gt;. Ruby, for example, does not have such a default, and allows creating a client with no servers in it at all.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="2123012" author="matt.broadstone" created="Tue, 22 Jan 2019 17:56:13 +0000"  >&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.mongodb.org/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=oleg.pudeyev&quot; class=&quot;user-hover&quot; rel=&quot;oleg.pudeyev&quot;&gt;oleg.pudeyev&lt;/a&gt; agreed, can you please open a PR with this change at your convenience?&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="2054770" author="oleg.pudeyev" created="Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:34:12 +0000"  >&lt;p&gt;In &lt;a href=&quot;https://github.com/mongodb/specifications/pull/388&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;https://github.com/mongodb/specifications/pull/388&lt;/a&gt; it was resolved that in the SDAM events, the starting topology is always unknown with no servers, even when the driver allows a user to force a topology type and specifies a non-empty server list.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The concept of a &quot;default list of server description instances&quot; doesn&apos;t make a lot of sense to me given this initial state.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is also possible for a topology to start with a non-empty set of servers and end up with no servers, thus the state of having an empty list of server descriptions is a valid one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I propose that the phrase &quot;Default contains one server: &quot;localhost:27017&quot;, ServerType Unknown.&quot; is removed from the spec. If the field needs to be clarified, my suggestion would be something like this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;servers: a set of ServerDescription instances, one for each of the servers in the topology.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
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